Säkerhetspodcasten #168 - James Harrison

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I dagens avsnitt intervjuar vi James Harrison, ficktjuv och close-up magiker extraordinaire, för att försöka ta reda på hur hans väldigt specifika skillset platsar på en säkerhetskonferens som Sec-T. Hur går man till väga för att stjäla någons ID-bricka eller plånbok? Hur kan man skydda sig själv och sina ägodelar?

Inspelat: 2019-09-19. Längd: 00:28:57.

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,920 All right, hello and welcome back to this live-ish recording for SEC-T.

2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,720 This is of course Sackus Bukastin. I’m Johan de Bermudler. I’m here with Rickard Woodfors.

3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:10,920 As always.

4 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:12,200 And James Harrison, right?

5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:13,140 Hello, yes.

6 00:00:13,420 --> 00:00:13,660 See?

7 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:14,120 Awesome.

8 00:00:14,220 --> 00:00:15,520 Got a bit of a memory for names.

9 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:16,720 Perfect.

10 00:00:17,020 --> 00:00:17,820 Nice to have you here, too.

11 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,480 Thank you so much. Thanks for inviting me.

12 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,660 Thanks for an awesome talk.

13 00:00:20,820 --> 00:00:22,420 Yeah, that was amazing. Incredible stuff.

14 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,420 I’m glad you guys enjoyed it.

15 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,000 It was magical.

16 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,300 I hope there was something in there worth value to you.

17 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:28,160 Yeah, definitely.

18 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,240 Glad you enjoyed it.

19 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:41,160 Just to introduce you to our viewers and listeners, you started out as a magician and slided over into pickpocketing.

20 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:41,640 Yes.

21 00:00:41,860 --> 00:00:42,560 How did that happen?

22 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:49,240 Well, I got into magic from the very beginning for me.

23 00:00:49,460 --> 00:00:52,320 It was a lot later in life than most people.

24 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:57,480 Most people talk about how they got, oh, I got a magic kit for Christmas and that’s how I knew I’d become a magician.

25 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,400 I’m like, no.

26 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:05,960 Before I got into magic, I was big into martial arts, multiple black belts, won competitions, the whole thing.

27 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,700 And I blew my knee out and I was bedridden for six months.

28 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:12,880 So I had a lot of free time on my hands.

29 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,940 So I saw fall people David Blaine on television.

30 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:19,320 Sure.

31 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,460 And I was like, I always wanted to learn to do that.

32 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,460 Let’s learn to do that.

33 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,660 So I started learning.

34 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:24,900 Mm.

35 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:44,900 Mm.

36 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:46,900 Mm.

37 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:47,720 Mm.

38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:48,800 Mm.

39 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,940 Mm.

40 00:01:50,940 --> 00:01:52,960 Mm.

41 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:53,020 Mm.

42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:54,080 Mm.

43 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:54,400 Mm.

44 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:54,420 Mm.

45 00:01:54,420 --> 00:01:54,440 Mm.

46 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:54,480 Mm.

47 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:54,540 Mm.

48 00:01:54,540 --> 00:01:54,580 Mm.

49 00:01:54,580 --> 00:01:54,600 Mm.

50 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:54,620 Mm.

51 00:01:54,620 --> 00:01:54,640 Mm.

52 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:54,660 Mm.

53 00:01:54,660 --> 00:01:54,760 Mm.

54 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:56,940 genetic because as I was watching

55 00:01:56,940 --> 00:01:58,840 a video on how it worked

56 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,840 back in the day, a great

57 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,720 French film called Pickpocket, if you ever

58 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,680 get a chance to watch it, just for watching the

59 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,880 techniques, it’s amazing.

60 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,740 And my dad watched it and said it was so

61 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:10,320 much easier back when I was a kid.

62 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:11,720 What?

63 00:02:12,020 --> 00:02:12,280 What?

64 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:16,700 He goes, yeah, I used to do this in high school, didn’t I

65 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:18,760 tell you that? And I’m like, no, no

66 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,980 you did not. It was literally in your blood.

67 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,920 Teach me, Obi-Wan, let’s go.

68 00:02:23,980 --> 00:02:24,820 And so

69 00:02:24,820 --> 00:02:26,060 yeah, apparently it’s genetic.

70 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,380 The only difference is I found a way to

71 00:02:28,380 --> 00:02:30,420 do it and not go to jail.

72 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:32,600 Yeah, I mean, it’s similar to

73 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,640 hacking in that sense. Like the IT

74 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:36,940 security industry, a lot of people come from

75 00:02:36,940 --> 00:02:38,800 shady backgrounds.

76 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:40,640 Well, you know, shady backgrounds or at least an

77 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:42,120 interest may have started somewhere

78 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,900 you know, as with pickpocketing,

79 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:46,640 breaking into systems, but then figuring

80 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:48,280 out how to do it legally.

81 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,100 That’s awesome.

82 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:52,600 I mean, doing

83 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,760 something you love and getting paid for it.

84 00:02:54,820 --> 00:02:57,060 Yes, there’s always a better

85 00:02:58,060 --> 00:03:00,100 vocation than doing

86 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:02,320 something you hate and just being miserable.

87 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:02,940 Yeah.

88 00:03:03,220 --> 00:03:05,680 So, but for me, it’s been a blast.

89 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,440 I’ve enjoyed the conference and everyone’s

90 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:12,060 really polite, overly so.

91 00:03:12,340 --> 00:03:14,360 Well, they’re still fairly sober, I think.

92 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,500 That’s, well, it should be different tonight then.

93 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:19,680 I imagine that there’s going to be some people

94 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,000 trying to pick your pockets.

95 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:24,320 That’s why I brought this. I actually brought dummy phone

96 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:24,620 Really?

97 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:29,840 For people to try because I, well, I did at DEF CON.

98 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,300 I do workshops so people can feel what it’s like to do it

99 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:37,760 because to protect yourself from it is one thing, but

100 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,160 that’s like, sort of like, I know self-defense by punching

101 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,000 a punching bag.

102 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:44,920 Right.

103 00:03:45,260 --> 00:03:46,460 You’ve never been punched back.

104 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:47,420 Oh, well.

105 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Then you don’t really know.

106 00:03:48,620 --> 00:03:49,560 Then you don’t really know.

107 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:50,780 So it’s the same with pickpocketing.

108 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,300 If you’ve never taken something out of someone’s pocket, then

109 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:54,420 you don’t know what it’s really like.

110 00:03:54,420 --> 00:03:54,580 Right.

111 00:03:54,620 --> 00:03:57,020 So you don’t know what they’ll feel for or look for.

112 00:03:57,540 --> 00:04:00,000 So that’s why I like doing the workshops.

113 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Not so I have a rampant troop of pickpockets under my name,

114 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,120 but for people just to be able to understand like,

115 00:04:08,260 --> 00:04:10,460 oh, that’s what it’s really like.

116 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,420 This is how close someone has to really be.

117 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:12,960 Yeah.

118 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:17,620 Because a lot of people tend to be distracted or mystified

119 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:23,100 with Hollywood on the romantic idea of how it works.

120 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:24,420 And in reality, it’s,

121 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:27,240 it’s much more down and dirty.

122 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,680 But that’s, I mean, you were talking a lot about that during your talk

123 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,860 about getting into someone’s personal space.

124 00:04:35,020 --> 00:04:35,320 Yes.

125 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:38,340 And that is the major challenge.

126 00:04:38,340 --> 00:04:42,660 And also to distract them from what you’re doing.

127 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,600 You have to be a toucher.

128 00:04:44,780 --> 00:04:44,980 Yeah.

129 00:04:46,780 --> 00:04:48,120 You don’t have to be over.

130 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,340 You don’t have to be creepy.

131 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:49,960 No.

132 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:51,120 Hansy.

133 00:04:51,260 --> 00:04:51,520 Yeah.

134 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,060 But you, you, you have to,

135 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:58,620 you have to understand how to be within someone’s personal space

136 00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:01,600 and, and understand that you, you will have to touch them.

137 00:05:01,740 --> 00:05:01,980 Yeah.

138 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,660 And without making them uncomfortable.

139 00:05:03,940 --> 00:05:04,240 Right.

140 00:05:04,420 --> 00:05:07,040 And you, you learn that through interactions.

141 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,980 Like you have to be bad at something before you get good at it.

142 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,900 And I’ve been caught.

143 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,680 I am, I’m not going to tell you I’m the superhero pickpocket guy that,

144 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:17,900 oh, I never get caught.

145 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:18,880 It’s I’m amazing.

146 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,920 No, I, I, to this day, I’ve been doing it for 20 years.

147 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,920 I still have people kind of catch me.

148 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:26,740 They catch me on stuff, but it’s a numbers game.

149 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,560 It’s a, it’s fun.

150 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,740 And I mean, like, um, speaking of magic and I found that, um,

151 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,020 cause I’ve been dabbling a little bit with this sort of stuff as well.

152 00:05:38,020 --> 00:05:41,360 Um, I’ll be happy to see you do some stuff at the bar.

153 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,280 Oh, I haven’t done it for years, but, but,

154 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,420 but I found that because I can never get,

155 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:47,980 get very good with like card tricks or that kind of stuff.

156 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:48,160 Right.

157 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:48,420 Okay.

158 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,660 But I don’t know.

159 00:05:49,660 --> 00:05:51,240 I just probably didn’t have the,

160 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,940 um, the focus to dedicate the energy,

161 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:55,600 the ability to build that sort of manual dexterity.

162 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:55,940 Okay.

163 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,340 But, um, on the other hand,

164 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,300 one of the most effective sort of tricks that I found that you could do very

165 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:02,760 easily,

166 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,180 especially like in a bar setting is if you prepare something and then reverse

167 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:07,720 pickpocket,

168 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,560 play something in someone’s pocket and then hours later use some,

169 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:14,420 you know,

170 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,460 simple mentalism trick to whatever it is like,

171 00:06:18,460 --> 00:06:23,000 or make a coin disappear that you’ve written something on or force them to

172 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:23,720 write,

173 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:23,940 uh,

174 00:06:23,940 --> 00:06:25,900 specific sentence or something.

175 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:26,600 And you know,

176 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,180 you’ve already prepared hours ahead of time by placing that in the pocket and

177 00:06:31,180 --> 00:06:31,660 then,

178 00:06:31,660 --> 00:06:31,920 you know,

179 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,240 making that disappear and then reappearing seemingly by magic in their pockets.

180 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,200 I use,

181 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:37,860 I use that,

182 00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:38,460 I use that,

183 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:39,300 um,

184 00:06:40,180 --> 00:06:42,160 I’ve only done it a couple of times,

185 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:42,840 um,

186 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,180 because the circumstances were correct for it.

187 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:48,260 But I have borrowed someone’s wallet without them knowing,

188 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:53,220 put something in their wallet that I have a duplicate of.

189 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:53,720 Right.

190 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,920 So put it back in their pocket without them knowing walk away,

191 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,480 come back,

192 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,560 do a trick that item vanished and say,

193 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,400 sir,

194 00:07:05,780 --> 00:07:06,800 pull out your pocket,

195 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:07,600 your wallet.

196 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,920 And I don’t say where exactly it is.

197 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,340 I don’t go pull the wallet out of your left pocket on the,

198 00:07:13,340 --> 00:07:15,340 on the backside of your pants.

199 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:15,800 Like,

200 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,120 no,

201 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,240 it’s just pull out your wallet and they pull out the wallet and open it up.

202 00:07:20,660 --> 00:07:21,500 What’s inside.

203 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:22,040 And they’re like,

204 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Holy cow.

205 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,500 That thing that we,

206 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:26,860 we just saw vanished and appeared in my pocket near me.

207 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:27,760 Right.

208 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,320 And that’s something that I sort of make mentioned in the talk is that it’s

209 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,160 not,

210 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:34,060 um,

211 00:07:34,060 --> 00:07:38,440 I consider what the mythology of pickpocketing is like a crime of passion.

212 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,060 You have this thing.

213 00:07:40,740 --> 00:07:42,260 I want this thing.

214 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,940 I’m going to take this thing.

215 00:07:44,060 --> 00:07:44,620 Yeah.

216 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:46,240 And in reality it’s no,

217 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,560 I I’m I’ll,

218 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,300 I’ll hunt you.

219 00:07:50,140 --> 00:07:52,060 I’ll follow you around for a while.

220 00:07:52,060 --> 00:07:52,580 Kind of thing.

221 00:07:52,580 --> 00:07:54,120 If I really want that thing.

222 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:54,920 Yeah.

223 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:56,440 But I’m going to do Intel first.

224 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,380 I’m going to find out like,

225 00:07:57,380 --> 00:07:58,220 Oh,

226 00:07:58,940 --> 00:08:00,620 that’s where he keeps it all the time.

227 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,600 It only comes out when he’s sitting at the table.

228 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:02,980 Okay,

229 00:08:02,980 --> 00:08:03,440 great.

230 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,980 That gives me an opportunity to make my job a little less hard until just

231 00:08:07,980 --> 00:08:08,460 gathering.

232 00:08:08,460 --> 00:08:08,940 Yes.

233 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:12,520 Just like it was hacking and security and a breaching and all that kind of

234 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,320 stuff.

235 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,020 Like you do physical engagements.

236 00:08:15,020 --> 00:08:15,680 You do a,

237 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,180 like a week’s of reconnaissance before you actually do your engagement now with

238 00:08:20,180 --> 00:08:20,780 pickpocketing.

239 00:08:20,780 --> 00:08:21,800 I don’t have weeks.

240 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,580 I have a day.

241 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:27,580 A day at most maybe an hour because the more time you’re wasting on a

242 00:08:27,580 --> 00:08:32,580 person that’s more time that could have been spent stealing something else.

243 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:33,380 That was easier.

244 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:33,920 Sure.

245 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:34,220 Right.

246 00:08:34,220 --> 00:08:38,220 So if it’s a specific thing for like penetration,

247 00:08:38,220 --> 00:08:40,820 physical penetration testing,

248 00:08:40,820 --> 00:08:42,200 I have more time.

249 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:42,980 I have,

250 00:08:42,980 --> 00:08:43,700 you know,

251 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:44,900 a couple hours.

252 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:46,400 Let’s see what we can do.

253 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:46,940 Sure.

254 00:08:46,940 --> 00:08:49,340 Find out where they go for restaurants.

255 00:08:49,340 --> 00:08:50,940 Find out where they go for food.

256 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:52,140 Find out where they go for restaurants.

257 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:52,540 Yeah.

258 00:08:52,540 --> 00:09:22,100 Find out like where where do they hang out bus stops whatever whatever multiple people are at that gives me an opportunity to sort of do an intel which should only take a couple minutes I find out what you’re doing right you pretty much you’re on you know rinse repeat sure until the bus shows up or while you’re sitting at the restaurant that at least has given me enough information to go on and like this is what I would use to do this thing yeah so

259 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:52,080 that’s one of the things I go into great detail at the workshop that I get asked to do is that I explain for people to get an understanding of it is a lot of people go to restaurants they’ll put their cell phones on the table because they don’t want it bent in their pocket if I can find a way to put something on top of said phone and then say I have to leave and pick up said thing and the phone that’s still going to be a problem.

260 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:52,140 Yeah.

261 00:09:52,140 --> 00:10:22,080 pick pocketing it’s not as glamorous as me reaching in a pocket without you feeling it sure but that still happens and you’re the end game is there I mean you know the end results exactly the result is the same exactly and that’s all that matters yeah but it’s it’s still slight hand right it’s still understanding direction of attention and it works under the same guys it’s just our pockets are now further away from us so to speak it’s like you you were explaining about.

262 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:51,980 pick pocketing and a woman is usually easier because they have their stuff in a handbag or genuinely yes most women will have a purse or a handbag or of some sort and if I want to make my life super simple you know and wait for them to open up that purse like they’ll pull the zipper open for them and if they’re in the rush they’ll leave it open yeah now I’ve noticed that while waiting in lines.

263 00:10:52,100 --> 00:11:22,080 I’ve seen women literally see me I’m not a small person by any means but if I’m standing beside them I’ve seen them literally zip a purse closed without even seeing me do anything it’s just because I’m by instinct they’ll zip it up because they realize that’s happened but if I do my job right they don’t know I’m behind them in the first place that purse is wide open there’s a cell phone there’s a wallet that’s I look at it as the equivalent of those machines the the that drop down the whole thing.

264 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:50,380 yeah pick up the stuffies yeah it’s what their purse is like is whatever is whatever is loose this is coming out so it’s like an amusement park yeah a little bit a little bit that’s probably on the easier scale of things yes what would you say are some of the harder items harder items or locations harder locations I find honestly the back pocket back pocket and an over.

265 00:11:52,100 --> 00:12:21,100 fitted wallet usually in North America it’s called a Costanza wallet George Costanza from the Seinfeld he pulled out his wallet it was just like big sandwich of a thing that he keeps in his back pocket and we we jokingly call people that have those kind of wallets a Costanza wallet that I can’t get I wouldn’t even bother trying it’s just stuck in that guy’s pot back pocket I’m not going to bother front pockets are actually easier especially with cell phones yeah

266 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:51,100 a lot of people have cell phones and the cases that they have unless it’s like an otter box which is just full on rubber sure they’re still nice and smooth and they slide right out of pockets yeah cargo pockets I mean I find well in this case your cargo pockets not so much because you have this nice zipper that goes across but a lot of pockets they just have the two buttons and if you put too much stuff in a pocket the pocket sends the bow open and

267 00:12:52,100 --> 00:13:21,980 it’s just it’s like a it’s like a purse for a man yeah just things pop out of that pocket because it’s just open now because there you’re not supposed to put a lot of stuff in those pockets that’s just for convenience more than anything but people put like four or five different items in there because it’s just open space that’s not affecting my waist so that’s what they do with it and I find that because of that weight it opens up the bottom part of the pocket so I don’t even have to bother with the buttons so I’m just

268 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:25,100 Så jag tog in mina två fingrar och gick och fiskade.

269 00:13:25,100 --> 00:13:26,100 Gick och fiskade?

270 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:27,100 Ja.

271 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:31,100 En annan del av din berättelse som fascinerade mig också var

272 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:34,100 jag tror att det var bara en fråga i slutändan,

273 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:36,100 men när du pratade om boosterbaggar.

274 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:39,100 Hur går det att ta bort en bagg?

275 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:44,100 Och för vår publik kan du kanske beskriva vad det är?

276 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:46,100 Och är det andra verktyg i handeln?

277 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:52,100 En boosterbagg är en normal bagg på utsidan.

278 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:55,100 Den kan se ut som en doktorsbagg eller gymbagg.

279 00:13:55,100 --> 00:14:01,100 Men insidan är designad för att gå över en annan bagg

280 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:05,100 och använda en graviditetsväg.

281 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:10,100 När den styrs på den, så styrs vägen på den

282 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:12,100 och håller den i baggen.

283 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:15,100 Och du kan lyfta din bagg och deras bagg

284 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:16,100 inom baggen.

285 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:19,100 Och det ger dig möjlighet att gå med den.

286 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:20,100 Och gå med den.

287 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:25,100 Det skulle behöva lite mer intel innan.

288 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:29,100 För man måste veta hur stor den är.

289 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:30,100 Ja.

290 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:34,100 Under säkerhetssäkerhet, ja.

291 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:38,100 Jag skulle behöva mer intel för att få den specifika grejen.

292 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:42,100 Om jag gör en penetration av fysiska ämnen och så.

293 00:14:42,100 --> 00:14:45,100 Och jag vill få den.

294 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:46,100 Eller nåt sånt.

295 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:48,100 Om jag har en access card som jag inte har.

296 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:51,100 På andra hand, om du är en pickpocket och bara vill gå för något

297 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:52,100 utan möjligheter, så…

298 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:55,100 Jag bara behöver den ena baggen och jag tittar för allt som fitar.

299 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:58,100 Allt som ser ut som en kniv för min hammare.

300 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:00,100 Så…

301 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:04,100 Vad är några andra verktyg som en pickpocket kan använda?

302 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:07,100 En verktyg som jag alltid har varit fascinerad med,

303 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:10,100 och tyvärr bor jag i ett land där switchblader är olyckliga.

304 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:12,100 Så jag får inte ha en.

305 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:14,100 Men det är en switchblade.

306 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:15,100 Men vad de gör…

307 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:20,100 Men det de har gjort är att de har grundat ner bladet i en öre.

308 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:21,100 Så att bakgrunden av det…

309 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:24,100 Den sista sidan av det börjar kurva in.

310 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:29,100 Och de använder den öre för att slå öppna botten av pössar

311 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:32,100 och bakgrunden, där walletet är.

312 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:33,100 Så allt…

313 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:34,100 Det är rasert.

314 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:37,100 De måste bara ta hand om det och göra det.

315 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:39,100 Och du kan fortfarande kolla ditt öre och tänka

316 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:40,100 nej, min wallet är bra, han fick ingenting.

317 00:15:40,100 --> 00:15:41,100 Även om du kände det.

318 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:43,100 Det spelar ingen roll.

319 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:45,100 För nu, allt han ska göra är att han ska följa dig.

320 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,100 Innan det faller.

321 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,100 Ja, innan det faller.

322 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:50,100 Fyra, tio minuter väntar jag.

323 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:53,100 Om inget faller, så går jag till nästa person.

324 00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:55,100 Och någon annan kan få det.

325 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:01,100 Det är så du inte måste oroa dig för skräp och sånt.

326 00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:02,100 Riktigt, ja.

327 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:07,100 Men nu har jag noterat att de försöker sälja pössar som inte kan slås.

328 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,100 Jag är väldigt orolig för det.

329 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:11,100 Ja, och jag tror att…

330 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:15,100 Du kanske vill förhålla dig från att skada någon.

331 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:17,100 Det är något som jag…

332 00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:18,100 Det är vanligt.

333 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:20,100 Det är vanligt, och det är därför du har den här övriga rörelsen.

334 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:23,100 Och du förstår att du förstör någons pössar.

335 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:26,100 Ja, och så kul som det skulle vara på scenen,

336 00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,100 så tror jag att många människor,

337 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:30,100 åtminstone personen på scenen,

338 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:33,100 skulle tro att det är lite förvånande att det hände.

339 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:37,100 Jag skulle behöva ge pössar på varje performance.

340 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:39,100 Vilket kan inte vara en dålig idé.

341 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:40,100 Jag skulle kunna ha min bransch på pössarna.

342 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:41,100 Ja, exakt.

343 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:42,100 Det skulle vara bra.

344 00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:44,100 Om du stannar på den här scenen,

345 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:46,100 så accepterar du risken för att gå hem pösslösa.

346 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:49,100 Ingen kommer till mina program då.

347 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:53,100 Jag tänkte att använda dina tekniker

348 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:55,100 i en fysisk sammanfattning,

349 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:59,100 för det finns några av de saker som du nämnde på scenen

350 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:05,100 som jag direkt kan förklara som användbara tekniker

351 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:08,100 när det gäller att försöka röra på någons pössar.

352 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:09,100 Ja.

353 00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:13,100 Man kan röra på dem genom att distrahera dem från

354 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:14,100 deras länjarder,

355 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:17,100 och så vidare.

356 00:17:17,100 --> 00:17:24,100 Har du fått kontrakt för att göra fysiska sammanfattningar?

357 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:26,100 Inte ännu.

358 00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:30,100 Jag vet inte om det var en grej innan denna år.

359 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:33,100 Det var faktiskt en verklig vokation.

360 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:35,100 Jag hittade ut det på Defcon.

361 00:17:35,100 --> 00:17:38,100 Jag höll på att lyssna på Darknet Diaries.

362 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:41,100 Jag hittade ut att det var en verklig vokation,

363 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:43,100 och jag tänkte att jag har gjort det i år.

364 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:45,100 Du berättar att jag kan få betalt för att göra det?

365 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:46,100 Ja.

366 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:50,100 Jag har inte betalt för en konvention i 10 år.

367 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:52,100 Det är fantastiskt.

368 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:55,100 En annan bra skam är att röra på en podcast.

369 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:59,100 Jag kommer att behöva titta in på det.

370 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:00,100 Ja.

371 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:06,100 Men kombinerat med lockpicking.

372 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:07,100 Ja.

373 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:10,100 Jag tycker att lockpicking är väldigt fascinerande.

374 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:13,100 Jag älskar lockpicking.

375 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:19,100 Det är kul hur de här intressen är så vanliga.

376 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:23,100 Även om vi arbetar med computeringar varje dag.

377 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:27,100 Det finns mycket överlag med folk som är intresserade av lockpicking eller pickpocketing.

378 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:31,100 Och även sociala ingenjörer. Det är mycket av det du gör.

379 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,100 Om jag förstår dig rätt.

380 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:35,100 Jag måste…

381 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:39,100 Vi pratade med några tjejer efter min performance.

382 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:44,100 De frågade hur man kommer in i människors personliga område.

383 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:47,100 Och hur jag gör det för att jag inte är du.

384 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:50,100 Och jag sa att förstås är du en tjej.

385 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:54,100 Så du kommer nog att kunna komma in i en mer personlig område än jag kan.

386 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:58,100 Så jag måste vara mer charmig och mindre förvånande.

387 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:01,100 För jag är en ganska stor person.

388 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:03,100 Jag är inte så stor som vissa människor.

389 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:04,100 Hahaha.

390 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:06,100 Jag är en ganska stor person.

391 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:09,100 Och jag måste förvåna mig.

392 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:13,100 För att kunna komma in i människors personliga område.

393 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:17,100 Och inte bli effektiv.

394 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:20,100 Som maskotter gör för lilla barn.

395 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:23,100 De är i de här stora skrämmande kostymerna.

396 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:26,100 Bara vara mindre…

397 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:27,100 Intimiderande.

398 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:30,100 Intimiderande är nog det bästa.

399 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:31,100 Ja.

400 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:32,100 Och genom att göra så.

401 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,100 Det ger mig möjlighet att komma in i personliga områden.

402 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:40,100 Och det sociala ingenjörskonceptet ger mig möjlighet att…

403 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,100 Som den dumma utländaren.

404 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,100 Jag är så förvånad.

405 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:45,100 Jag är terribel.

406 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:47,100 Jag vet inte vad jag gör.

407 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:48,100 Och genom att göra så.

408 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:50,100 Jag har redan fått handen på dig.

409 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:51,100 Det är inget stort grej.

410 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,100 För det är en okej grej.

411 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:55,100 Jag behöver hjälp.

412 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:56,100 När du behöver hjälp.

413 00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:58,100 Du touchar någon.

414 00:19:58,100 --> 00:19:59,100 Förlåt mig.

415 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,100 Ja.

416 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:01,100 Och jag ber…

417 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:03,100 Inte på ett litterärt sätt.

418 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:04,100 Jag gör inte det för riktigt.

419 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:06,100 Men du använder det för att be om folk.

420 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:09,100 Du tar något som finns i alla.

421 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:12,100 Och vår natur är att du vill hjälpa folk.

422 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:13,100 Du verkligen gör det.

423 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:15,100 Och om du kan hjälpa folk.

424 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:16,100 Det gör att du känner dig bra.

425 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:19,100 För du hjälper någon att stanna upp i deras liv.

426 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:20,100 Förlåt mig.

427 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:23,100 Det finns folk där ute som använder det.

428 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:24,100 Och…

429 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:26,100 Pickpocketing är en av dem.

430 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,100 Ja.

431 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:28,100 Så.

432 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:30,100 En annan fråga som jag fick.

433 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:31,100 Det var…

434 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:33,100 Demonstrationer som du gav på scenen.

435 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:35,100 Det var förstås att du stannade upp.

436 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:36,100 Ja.

437 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:37,100 Eller sådant.

438 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,100 Men…

439 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:39,100 Har du någonsin gjort pickpocketing?

440 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:40,100 Sitta ner.

441 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:42,100 Till exempel som vi ser nu.

442 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,100 Det finns tekniker för…

443 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,100 För…

444 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:47,100 Att ställa saker när folk sitter.

445 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:48,100 Det finns faktiskt en…

446 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:51,100 Pickpocket som var väl känd för det.

447 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:52,100 Hans namn var Mark Raffles.

448 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,100 En fantastisk pickpocket.

449 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:56,100 Jag tror att han är brittisk.

450 00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:57,100 Jag förlåter.

451 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:58,100 Jag rör mig fortfarande inte.

452 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:59,100 Från…

453 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:01,100 Från att flyga här.

454 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:04,100 Men Mark Raffles brukade pickpocketa sitta ner.

455 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:06,100 Och han var bra på det.

456 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,100 Han kunde…

457 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,100 Den här tjejen lyfte allt och allting.

458 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,100 Allt som inte var knäppt ner.

459 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:12,100 Den tjejen skulle få.

460 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,100 Och han gjorde det med två personer.

461 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:16,100 En person satt på en sida av bordet.

462 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:19,100 Den andra personen satt på den andra sidan av bordet.

463 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:21,100 Och medan han stjälte saker.

464 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:23,100 Han la saker i ditt vis.

465 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:24,100 Han var väldigt…

466 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:25,100 Aktivt distraherad.

467 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:27,100 Aktivt distraherad.

468 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:28,100 Och…

469 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:30,100 Jag…

470 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,100 Jag är lite mer lågtidig.

471 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:33,100 Jag vet inte…

472 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:37,100 Jag är säker på att det uttryckte sig väldigt bra när jag stod på scenen.

473 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:39,100 Men jag är en stor troende av minimalistisk behov.

474 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:40,100 Mm, ja.

475 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:45,100 Om jag inte måste förlåta behov av att göra något så gör jag inte det.

476 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:48,100 Så om jag tar något ur ditt pock.

477 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:51,100 Jag kommer försöka gå den mest direkta vägen jag kan.

478 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:53,100 Och…

479 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:55,100 Det är mig som är…

480 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:57,100 Snygg och genuint.

481 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:58,100 Men också försöka…

482 00:21:58,100 --> 00:21:59,100 Snygg och genuint.

483 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:02,100 Men också försöka göra så att du ska göra vad jag vill.

484 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:03,100 Det låter bra.

485 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:04,100 Ja.

486 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:06,100 Jag måste vara i behov.

487 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:07,100 Jag menar…

488 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,100 Det är bara…

489 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:09,100 Inte bara…

490 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:10,100 Det hjälper inte min OCD.

491 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:11,100 Men…

492 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:12,100 Men ändå…

493 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:13,100 Att ha din mark att tro att de är i behov.

494 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:14,100 Ja.

495 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,100 Det är…

496 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,100 Det är viktig.

497 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:17,100 Ja.

498 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,100 Om du…

499 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:19,100 Om någon…

500 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:20,100 Känner att de är i behov.

501 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:21,100 Ja.

502 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:22,100 De är mycket mer relaxerade.

503 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:23,100 Ja.

504 00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:24,100 Självklart.

505 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:25,100 Eftersom de känner att det finns ingenting…

506 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:26,100 Den här personen…

507 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,100 Ja.

508 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,100 Som kan göra något.

509 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,100 För jag är i behov.

510 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:30,100 Ja.

511 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:31,100 Jag är i kontroll av situationen.

512 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:32,100 Så du lämnar dina rörelser.

513 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:33,100 Och du…

514 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,100 Jag älskar att säga det så.

515 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:35,100 Jag måste komma upp med ett bättre ord.

516 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,100 För att säga rörelser är som…

517 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:37,100 I stället för att jag har en kniv.

518 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:38,100 Jag har bara en spork.

519 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:39,100 Du vet.

520 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:40,100 Som…

521 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:41,100 Jag tror att jag behöver ett bättre ord än rörelser.

522 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:42,100 Ja.

523 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,100 Vi lär oss något.

524 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,100 Okej.

525 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:45,100 Riktigt.

526 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:46,100 Fint.

527 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:47,100 Men…

528 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,100 Men…

529 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,100 Ja.

530 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:50,100 Det är bara det…

531 00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:51,100 Det är ett bra ord för det.

532 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:52,100 Du…

533 00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:53,100 Du…

534 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:54,100 Du…

535 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:55,100 Du…

536 00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:56,100 Du…

537 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:57,100 Du…

538 00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,100 Det är bara din machtpåväg.

539 00:22:58,100 --> 00:22:59,100 Ja, visst.

540 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:01,100 Om jag kan lägga ner det…

541 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:03,500 Och du är…

542 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:07,300 Du är längre på röd indel 전에, så får jag en större möjlighet att…

543 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:08,380 Att betala saker.

544 00:23:08,380 --> 00:23:10,500 Idag, med och för att…

545 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,620 Om jag kommer ut så aggressiv och allt.

546 00:23:12,620 --> 00:23:13,620 Men…

547 00:23:13,620 --> 00:23:14,620 Men…

548 00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:15,620 Det…

549 00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:16,620 хочется ändras.

550 00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:17,620 Jag…

551 00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:18,620 Jag…

552 00:23:18,620 --> 00:23:19,640 Fattar att jag måste vara aggressiv mot vissa människor.

553 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,320 För den är därom de slutar att ge mig jobboxen.

554 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Men jag anför att folk…

555 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,400 Att närma sig annorlunda ansvar.

556 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,060 Ja…

557 00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:28,960 Not everyone is the same, but that being said

558 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,980 we’re not all unique snowflakes.

559 00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:32,960 I mean, that was

560 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,760 one of the

561 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,000 things that you

562 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,300 got asked the question

563 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:41,140 and I believe

564 00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:42,280 your reply was something like

565 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,760 I would be very aggressive or

566 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,860 something like…

567 00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:48,540 If I have to be, yes.

568 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:51,060 And that wouldn’t look nice on stage, of course.

569 00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:51,660 No, it’s…

570 00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:53,560 I’m entertained.

571 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,220 I don’t want to do that.

572 00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:57,700 I can’t believe you’re doing this.

573 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,220 I don’t want to do that on stage because that’s

574 00:24:00,220 --> 00:24:02,220 not what is…

575 00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:04,240 It’ll be entertaining for some.

576 00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:06,080 Won’t be entertaining for all

577 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,440 and it certainly won’t be entertaining for the nice person

578 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,560 that decided to come up.

579 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:12,480 And as you saw in the talk

580 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,440 I asked the gentleman in the front

581 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,220 and he…

582 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,120 His face went white.

583 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,360 I’m going to be embarrassed

584 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:21,640 in front of all these people.

585 00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:24,280 That’s what his immediate reaction was and I’m like, okay

586 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,160 we’re going to let this bounce

587 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,260 off him to the other guy because the other guy behind him

588 00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:29,320 was like, me?

589 00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:32,080 And I’m like, perfect, yes.

590 00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:34,300 You. Let’s get you

591 00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:35,980 up here. But the other guy, honestly

592 00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:38,300 I scoped him out. He had a cell phone.

593 00:24:38,380 --> 00:24:39,720 He had a wallet. He had a watch.

594 00:24:40,060 --> 00:24:42,340 I think he had a couple other items. I would have been able to borrow

595 00:24:42,340 --> 00:24:44,000 more things on stage.

596 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:45,520 But I took

597 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,280 who I could get because I don’t want to have…

598 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,080 I don’t want to get manhandly

599 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,320 if that’s a word.

600 00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:53,280 We’ll make it one.

601 00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:55,860 I’ve seen

602 00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:57,980 older pickpockets, at least theatrical

603 00:24:57,980 --> 00:25:00,020 pickpockets where they’re very aggressive

604 00:25:00,020 --> 00:25:01,400 and moving the person.

605 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,400 I’m not a huge fan of that.

606 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:06,160 I find that that allows

607 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,160 them to remember the moment

608 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,160 it happened more later

609 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,400 on. If they can

610 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,000 pinpoint, oh, this

611 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,160 is when it happened. He was pushing

612 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,120 me and moving me

613 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,040 around and all the rest of that stuff.

614 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,780 That’s when they can trace it back.

615 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:23,600 But if you can be a little more

616 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,700 gentle,

617 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:27,140 I guess is the right word, or

618 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:30,120 less aggressive, I guess

619 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,180 would be a better word. I still have to be in charge.

620 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,040 I still have to put you

621 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:34,780 in the right position.

622 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,780 Not in a way that you might remember specifically.

623 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,100 Exactly. If you can pinpoint

624 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:42,040 certain spots, then you can go back and go

625 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,300 that’s when he did it.

626 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,880 Sorry, we got a bit lucky there that

627 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,340 Dan was in the front

628 00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:49,120 row, right?

629 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,480 Dan was chomping

630 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,280 on the bit to come up, and I’m happy

631 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,140 he was because it made my life easier.

632 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:55,800 I don’t know where…

633 00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:56,900 Anders went.

634 00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,740 He was supposed to come up because he had the jacket, and I can

635 00:25:59,740 --> 00:26:01,700 work all the stuff, and then he showed up halfway through

636 00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:03,660 the show, and I’m like, well, it’s too late now. I’ve already got

637 00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:05,820 Dan up here. But thankfully, Dan was a great sport

638 00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:07,400 to come up and do that.

639 00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:09,400 How he’d work with the carabiner as well.

640 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,520 Yeah, and those…

641 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,440 His was a unique one.

642 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:14,800 The lock ones.

643 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,620 The only reason I used him is because

644 00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:19,340 he had one, but

645 00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:21,660 I wouldn’t go after his because he has that

646 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:22,940 weird twist locky thing.

647 00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:24,820 But in actual sense,

648 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,440 if Dan is…

649 00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:27,740 is busy doing something, I can

650 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:29,120 take my time and actually

651 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,520 twist it and open it and everything.

652 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,740 I imagine if you know that you’re going after that

653 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:35,420 sort of item, then…

654 00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:37,800 Then you would take the time to practice to do it.

655 00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:40,120 Learn how to do it with probably one hand.

656 00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:41,660 Is that the big secret of magic?

657 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:43,680 The amount of time it takes to learn?

658 00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:45,840 They’re fairly easy. I mean, I’ve been

659 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,460 doing some mountain climbing, and

660 00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:50,000 it’s fairly easy to operate with one hand.

661 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,020 They’re made for being operated

662 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:52,620 with one hand.

663 00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:54,540 They have to be, because the other hand is working with something.

664 00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:56,140 I’m probably holding on to something.

665 00:26:56,140 --> 00:27:00,000 Yeah, so, and they are safe.

666 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,300 They will never fall off deliberately,

667 00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:06,460 but they do make it way easier for a person like myself

668 00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:10,040 to just pinch and turn, and it’s off.

669 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,120 It’s easy to go, and it’s the same with lanyards.

670 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,720 A lot of lanyards tend to have that nice little pinch.

671 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:17,720 Yeah.

672 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:20,780 Not so much the ones that they have here at this conference

673 00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:22,540 where you have to pull a lever and open it.

674 00:27:22,860 --> 00:27:24,240 They usually have a little…

675 00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:27,420 Tension spring, where you just squeeze it.

676 00:27:27,820 --> 00:27:30,080 And if you can get close enough to squeeze that,

677 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:31,880 it’s just a quick lift and off.

678 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,180 Yeah.

679 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,720 And it’s fun, because a lot of people are like,

680 00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:37,780 oh, can you get one of these off?

681 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,780 And I’m like, yeah, but not right now.

682 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,120 Not right now, because you deliberately came up and asked me.

683 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,960 You’re going to see everything now.

684 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:46,280 Yeah.

685 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,780 But it’s an opportunistic skill.

686 00:27:50,780 --> 00:27:53,580 My friend in England, his name is James Brown.

687 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:54,420 He put out a book called…

688 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:57,540 He calls himself the opportunist.

689 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,780 I think you put out a number of albums as well.

690 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:02,380 Yes, that’s the funny thing.

691 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,860 But he is a pickpocket and hypnotist in England,

692 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,540 which I think is really the real reason he’s able to get away with pickpocketing,

693 00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:14,660 is he just hypnotizes them ahead of time and steals stuff.

694 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,540 But he uses that kind of stuff where it’s just…

695 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,560 He’s brilliant at it.

696 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,560 And he works with…

697 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:26,380 Fun little stuff like that.

698 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:29,300 All right, man.

699 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,420 Thank you so much for sitting down with us.

700 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,200 Thank you, guys.

701 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,060 Thank you for inviting me out here

702 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:39,780 and getting to chat about something that I don’t get that often to chat about.

703 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,540 So, thank you.

704 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,480 I’m sure there’ll be people buying you drinks at the bar all night long.

705 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:43,820 Perfect.

706 00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:45,000 Trying to steal your stuff.

707 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,920 Thankfully, I got those dummy ones ready to go.

708 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,720 So, I’m ready.

709 00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:51,300 Cool.

710 00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:52,380 Awesome. Thank you, Jay.

711 00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:52,520 Later.

712 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:52,900 Sorry.

713 00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:56,540 Tack.